And it’s curtains…
By: travis | April 13th, 2008
To my complete non-surprise, a 2-1 loss and it’s over. Couldn’t watch it thanks to lack of pay TV. Just shrug my shoulders and wonder about so many things. Why put in Justin Hoyte for Toure in the last ten minutes? Why start Lehmann? (He apparently played well, but is a complete crazy person) Why make Gallas captain? Wenger seemed to prove everyone right in the beginning of the season, but bad luck and injuries caught up. I’m not hitting the panic button, but it raises serious questions.
Young players are great, but this proves the old adage “you get what you pay for” right. Bah. And get Eboue off the team.
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I just realized how much I hate Manchester United.
They didn’t deserve their win today, and they don’t deserve to be sitting atop the Premier League. I’d even support Chelsea against them, and if you knew me, you’d know how serious that is. Arsenal played gorgeous football and for that I am proud. I really am. But to think that a team like Man U is going to likely win the crown on play like that is just disgusting to me.
Here’s to Barcelona punishing Manchester for it in the CL.
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Catherine: If you are making comments out of your hate of ManU then the stage is yours
..but saying that a team like Man U does not deserve the title is ridiculous…give me any statistic in which they are not ahead of everyyone…no of goals scored,,goal difference, home record, away record, entertainment, characters, CONSISTENCY..of course Arsenal would have played better today as they were more desperate for all points..ManU played them exactly they were supposed to…they did not need to win to win the league..think abt it…
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I’m making statements out of what I have seen out of Manchester United this season. I have never seen them play outside of this season. Obviously they are doing very well this season, so let me step back and say that you have to be doing something right to be where they are today. But they don’t deserve the title in my eyes, and all the statistics in the world won’t change that. If you think that numbers justify a team’s success, let me wake you up. They don’t. Numbers win games, sure, but they don’t win me over. Success to me is not winning games but playing the beautiful game according to that adjective–’beautiful.’ Man U’s play is most definitely not part of ‘the beautiful game’ to me. Maybe to you, whatever, that’s fine, if it floats your boat. But to me, they play ugly, and seeing a team like that on top just annoys the heck out of me. Obviously Man U’s style of play works, otherwise they wouldn’t be where they are, but it doesn’t mean that I have to like it.
Unfortunately for me, you don’t get beauty points in football, now do we?
By the way, if you think that the reason Arsenal outplayed Manchester United today is because they were more motivated, you are seriously mistaken. Yes, they were motivated, but so was Man U. With a rivalry like that, Man U were probably just as desperate to win that game just in order to preserve the pride they’ve stocked up. A win over Arsenal not only knocks out their rivals, but gives them (and their fans) reasons to gloat until they play again. They were motivated just as highly as Arsenal were–the fact was that Arsenal outplayed them because they were *better.* It’s not a crime to admit that another team is better than your own. I admit Arsenal doesn’t necessarily deserve first place by the numbers. Go ahead and admit Man U doesn’t play attractive football like Arsenal does, and it evens out.
By the way, I don’t make comments ‘out of hate’ for a team. The hate is a result of the same thing that causes the comments.
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NO! We need Man U to beat Chelsea now so we can get 2nd spot.
I really don’t fancy qualifying for CL next season
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why not? the champions’ league is my favorite part of football (aside from la liga but that is irrelevant here). arsenal did well to oust ac milan and if they hadn’t been so distracted by their woes in the prem, they may have done better vs. liverpool. I think the champions’ league is arsenal’s (or barca’s XD) to win (or at least get close to!) next season, personally. but it’s a bit too far off to talk about that now, really…
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Catherine: I am the same one on the Barca page too..I know how Barca’s playing style is close to Arsenal..and I admit Arsenal are more beautiful than ManU but they lack in many many areas that make you champions…to begin with is the problem of their character…they have always conceded goals (more so lately) when they really cannot, their captain throwing tantrums etc…that comes down to the difference in the way the managers manage the players I think..on the beautiful play issue I think Arsenal are good but they just overdo it…just want to pass, pass and walk into the goal. While ManU is more of a pragmatic approach which is a combination of good fluid passing moves, individual flair(sometimes it becomes too much though..that nani makes me take my hair out, cronaldo used to but not now
), wing play, good defense(mind you that has started only after vidic came in..before that for many many years ManU were this gungho style..we will score more than you score on us).I respect Arsenal the most and really wanted them to win the trophy if not ManU..but it seems that whatever you were saying against ManU holds all true for Chelsea..not us..Chelski are the ones that play that 1-0 pain-in-the-neck games..(but always come up on the top somehow)..have classy players but really defensive management..
Abt Real..the EE is the best example of how not to run a team..it does not even exist in my world
..all they used to do is make me laugh at their antics..this year they are suprisingly notPosted from
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Catherine-Lucia, since you admit that have never seen Manchester United play a match outside of this season, you are obviously ignorant about football, and should probably refrain from making public remarks concerning something about which you know nothing. Anyone who follows football knows that the table never lies. Manchester United are better than Arsenal in all areas. And Man United (hint, it is not “Man U” - no one who knows anything about football calls them Man U) do play beautiful football. It is only ugly to supporters of lesser teams who lose to us and are subsequently jealous and hate-filled.
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Patricia: okay, so I should keep my mouth shut just because I have only begun watching EPL this season? My apologies for trying to be insightful. Jeez. You call *me* hate-filled. lol. I make comments based on what I think. you’re welcome to disagree, but please try to at least be constructive in your criticism.
by the way, I call them Man U because a) I don’t feel like typing out “Man United” or “Manchester United”, and b) my cousins (who are fans of them by the way) call them that. If you find it offensive I’ll stop.
So no, I don’t know all that much about football outside of MLS and La Liga, but I’m at least trying to learn and be a member of the community here. You can’t learn unless you make mistakes sometimes. And by the way, if Manchester United is on top of the table this season it must be some of their best football yet, right? So if I’ve seen some of their best football, why shouldn’t I make a judgment on them? I guess I just don’t get your argument.
Mat–I do agree on some parts of what you said. Manchester United are more consistent for sure, and Arsenal are more ‘controversial’ etc. behind the scenes.
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This whole “beautiful football” argument is so tired. I get it from my best friend all the time and it’s just as garbage then as it is now.
This sport is about adaptability and versatility. United are the best in the world at the moment in both aspects. They can slow it down, pack it in, open it up or entertain. Chelsea the same, to a much lesser extent.
If you want an ideal world, play a video game.
By the way, like it has been said, the table never — and I mean never — lies.Posted from
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jack, when does chelsea entertain? they might win and they might be good but i wouldn’t say entertain.
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I assume you’ve forgotten our 6-nil thrashing of Man City, or our thrilling four-goal draws with both Aston Villa and Tottenham. Or our numerous three-plus goal performances over the past three years. Jog on.
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Jack, I don’t *care* if your best friend gives you this argument, and I don’t care if you don’t like it. That’s MY PERSONAL OPINION. I personally watch football for the beauty of it. That’s not for everyone, but it works for me, and that’s why I support Arsenal. Obviously it’s not your style. Whatever. That’s what I PERSONALLY think.
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I don’t care if you support Arsenal. Do what you want. But expecting me, or anyone else, to simply ignore your comments if not agreed with is nonsense. This isn’t the place for cuddly debate.
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Ya I also believe that adaptability and playing under pressure are the greatest strength of the ManU team..
As I see it Chelsea right now are just interested in the win..they will see what the opposition gives them and will adapt and just win the game..albeit mostly 1-0 or max 2-0 (..couldn’t help myself taking a shot at Chelsea).., Arsenal are always about playing it “beautifully” no matter what the score is , no matter what the opposition is, no matter where they are in table..(close to the season end they have been a lil better, but that’s because they see the end by then).., and ManU are always a combination of both these “traits”..they never let themselves do too far below in the table but they also never let their games be a dull bore..it just will not happen with Ferguson still there.
They can take bucket loads of pressure and still perform and deliver..and as much as I am sorry abt it Arsenal just does not (apart from that one season of the “invincibles”..they deserve credit when its due)..and personally think its the manager’s fault/shortcoming that he is not able to make them good enough to take what the Premier League throws at them..Posted from
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Jack, complain about Arsenal fans all you want, but doing it on the Arsenal blog is just poor form.
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Since when did Arsenal and their fans become the torch bearers of “beautiful football”? Since they stopped winning trophy’s and they search for scant consolation?
GEORGE GRAHAM. Remember him? He laid the blueprint for ‘results football’ and pioneered one of the greatest English squads of all time. Poor fella gets shit on by a lot of Gooners who talk about beautiful football like it is the be all and end all.
Just how many socalled Arsenal fans supported the Gunners before Arsene Wenger took over?
I watch a lot of football played by many country’s from around the world and unfortunately I don’t believe Arsenal play “the best football in the world” or are even close to being the “club version of Brazil”. They play like a top 6 Spanish side. The South Americans from Mexico to Brazil to the Argies play the best football and have the most technically adept players from the 1st team to the reserves. To say “Arsenal play the best football in the world” is ethnocentric and just plain ignorant.
I personally hope Arsenal win a trophy next season or Wenger gets sacked or walks (not likely, I know) because I’m sick of the eternal state of martyrdom Arsenal fans, like Catherine, revel in being in.
You don’t play the best footbal and you’re not winning anything doing it.
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