Arsenal v Valencia Game Thread
By: travis | August 8th, 2009Today’s friendly against Valencia (8:30 PM local, 3:30 PM EST) should be an interesting one. There’s plenty of news as we get closer and closer to this season’s kickoff. Make this your destination for comments before, during, and after the game. I’ll try and post lineups and streams here as well.
Lineup Update:
Almunia, Diaby, Fabregas, Gallas, Van Persie, Song, Djourou, Clichy, Arshavin, Bendtner, Eboue
Enjoy the match.
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Good coach Unai Emery, will be soon in premier league!
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@Gooner well be happy your club are not big spenders and that they dont do such things! They balance the books and stay healthy.
We Valencia fans know what kind of mess you get if you dont balance the books and believe me thats not something you like to have at Arsenal….
If anything be proud of your transfer policy cause your team is doing a great job and is an example for other teams.
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I totally agree with you, but we have the cash from the sales of toure and adebayor, I am saying go get loans, all what I am saying is use the cash from toure + adebayor + senderos to get de rossi and hangeland thats it.
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I am not saying go get loan**
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All the transfer rumors have been so quiet lately. I’m honestly starting to think nobody else will be brought in. The only name I hear much of is Vieria, and that doesn’t excite me at all. If things stand as they are now, I’d say we’re headed for a 5th place finish.
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We win, everyone’s like it’s preseason we still need players.
We lose, everyone acts like the preseason will dictate our whole season.De Rossi will never leave Rome, that’s just wishful thinking.
Part of me really wants Wenger to “splash the cash” to appease the fans and then leave when the club ends up like Leeds or indebted like Liverpool. The man has had the same transfer policy for 13 years, when the team is winning, every Gooner is bragging about how we turn unknowns into world class players, when the team hits a rough patch, it’s “Wenger, splash the cash”, “Wenger has lost the plot, we need big signings”
I’m tired
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—>Fine Zito. But don’t come complaining when Arsenal will be out of the top four and will mis out champions league.
—>”The man has had the same transfer policy for 13 years” Why? Because the club can balance financially the books. How? By selling tickets, shirt and other stuff affiliated to Arsenal. To Who? To the fans of course. And who are those so called “fans”? They are us!
—>So, if he had all this “financial stability”, it’s all due to their high income made by selling their products and T.v. rights. I believe that we have the right to be heard and even the players are starting to feel what we have been living for the past 5 seasons for god’s sake.
—>As a true Arsenal fan, I’ll always stay loyal and keep hoping that his policy will work. Like this, I’ll brag on
(Even thought, it would have taken 5 seasons or so to be operational!). The fact that I’m still here commenting on this site on what Wenger should consider to do, even thought it will have no immediate consequence on a near future, shows that I’m irritated, true, but still waiting and thoughtful about this club.—>So, either we can be passive fans and bleat unconsciously: In Wenger we trust. Or, we make our voice heard for the “sake” of this club.
—>juegos rol online: Indeed. Since his work at Almeria, I’ve been a keen supporter of this man. If Valencia manage to keep him, they’ll probably get the so famous years they had with Rafa Benitez. They deserve it as they’ve been a shadow of their former selves recently, but, now, they seem right on track.
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Oh, and by the way, it seems that Arsenal has one of the (if not the most) active blog in all the EPL offside. Well, Alexinho, it seems that we can rivalize with the Barcelona offside don’t you think?
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well said third eye.
last season we did not get enough players, especially a defensive midfielder and we were fighting for fourth place. I really don’t want the same thing to happen again next year.yea I think this is our first “50+ comment” hoping for more and more comments
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Lol since Wenger has been at Arsenal, how many times has Arsenal finished below the top 4? come on, I’ll wait.
Didn’t Chelsea get a cash boost just like Man City did? and did they overtake Arsenal? When Chelsea got their cash injection, did Wenger start spending like crazy? what makes you think he’s going to do it now?I’m not bleating unconsciously, I’m looking at the history of the manager that we have, and I’m having faith in his decisions. Clearly he is not as stupid as to not see what everyone sees or else he wouldn’t have lasted so long.
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Look, I get upset about our current situation too, but seriously, does anyone even know what league Leeds is in now?
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Zito, we are not asking for mega million signings, just reinvest the money from the players sold to get news players 25 + 17 + 5 million (from ade, toure, and senderos) to get 2 players… its not that hard.
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Senderos is still an Arsenal player, and I doubt he is able to use as much money as we are assuming here
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Sad that we lost; but it was at Mestalla.
Hope Wenger gets a DM and maybe a striker; but Zito has a point and I stll trust the man.
…still, arsenal should have beaten them, at least to keep us fans happy, even if it is a friendly…
Arsene pls buy!Posted from
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Hopefully this is the alarm we needed to decide to buy?
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I am sure wenger will not use all of the money because its his policy. the 15 million pound for arshavin was a record for the club… the policy is not working at all. if you tell me look at arsenal 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9 years ago and it was the same policy yet they were winning, I could tell you that before we had mature players in the squad before wenger came. so the youngsters that came in, really benefited from those who had the experience. but now there is no one to learn from, all of our players are inexperienced.
we all now that senderos is leaving the club whether it was official or not, it was the same thing with toure we knew that he was leaving.
gigi, you first said that you agree with zito, and then you said we need to buy players and that the lost was an alarm for wenger you are contradicting yourself.
Zito dont get me wrong, I see what you are getting too, and I was saying the same thing before the last season started. anyway without these different opinions we wouldve not been able to have these kind of discussions
keep up…
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“His policy” is common sense. Why overpay for players just because the market is inflated or when you can mold an even better player yourself. It is working, it’s the same policy that brought glory to Arsenal, it gave you thierry henry, Emirates Stadium and a great future where the club doesn’t have to worry about money or star players.
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—>The fact is the squad has lot too many key component of their starting eleven. Wenger should\must consider to replace the (at least some) missing players.
—>As much as Gooner and you, last season, I believed in the current squad of player that we had. However, solely Flamini’s departure provoke an unprecedented downfall.
—>Wenger got rid of Glberto (even thought he had experienced, I did agree on that one) and Lassana Diarra. Then, he let Flamini go keeping in mind that he had Denilson, Song and Diaby to pair up with Fabregas next season.
—>Now, look what happen: All these those aforementioned players would not even feature at Manchester United bench
and our midfield is left with a vacant spot to fill.“when you can mold an even better player yourself.”
—>This policy would have been totally ingenious if only he had held on his senior players. Now those “player in the making” are being thrown too early (Precisely Denilson…for Diaby and Song… well) and need to perform as an experienced 28 years old player.—>Rather to say: Denilson is no good… We should have been saying: the guy should be playing more if we want to decide of his faith.
—>But, since it’s Wenger’s way of doing and it has been a fruitful way of attracting the most promising youngsters of the world, I can’t really say something about it. In the other hand, it’s the same system that has brought us where we are. It’s a really good idea. Unfortunately, Wenger exploited it to the extreme. Wenger should have acted more cautiously, keeping in mind that he still needs his older player.
—>The perfect example would be Barcelona. They have molded their own player. Nonetheless, they did not disposed of their more experienced one in order to do so. I wanted to cite some name, but I did not feel like it because it’s quite obvious.
—>All in all, with the right buys, Wenger should be able to shut us up. If not, he’ll be hearing more from his raging fans that want to see more positive result.
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well said
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we will start strong n falter in the latter stage in all competition bcos we still lack the leader to guide us through tough time-rvp n cesc seem like good leader-but cesc isnt the same without a solid partner
to speak we have depth n quality in paper but it doesnt show in field cos inexperience n lack of leadership cost us heavily if we dont win 1 or 2 titles in the next 2 years wenger can pack his bags we are econimically stable but as a team we are not stable-we lack balance ine very possible waythere is no balance between offense n defense-we have mosnter strength n depth in offensive position but nothing on the defense-u cant point out 2 dmf or 2 cb who u can b confident with to keep a clean sheet when facing the big guns of europe n england
there is no balance between youth n experienced-are youth are brillant argubaly the best-ramsey,wilshire ,gibbs,clichy,cesc,n asri but our age veteran arent at par-silvestre,gallas ,almunia
there is no balance between technical n physical player-we can raise an entire playing 11 of technically gofted player but cant raise half a team of physically dominated player
there is no balance in leader ship-wenger to be completely blamed for that
there is no balance between bit player n star player
CONCLUSION THERE IS NO BALANCE BETWEEN POTENTIAL N ACHIEVEMENT
we have a lot of potential but no achievement to show for itPosted from
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Maybe I’m a bit late to join some of the debate. But I got to thinking about history a bit. It used to be easy for Arsenal to be a top 2 or 4 team. But our decline has basically coincided with Chelsea’s rise with all of their new cash. Liverpool has begun to get things in the right direction. And now City is going to be just like Chelsea. The bottom line is, I don’t care about the last 10 years of history as an indication of how things will go in the future. Times have changed. If we don’t keep up, then we’ll quickly be out of the top 5, and lose all that CL money. Then it will be hard to recover.
Also, if you think back to the period from about 1997-2007, how many English teams did well in the CL? Basically, the CL was won by teams from Italy, Spain, and even Portugal. Now it’s being dominated by English teams, because that’s where so much of the money has gone. So while we used to win our share of league titles and FA Cups, it was in a league not nearly as strong, and not as equipped to compete in Europe. Now, if we want to compete in England, that will necessarily mean we’re right there with the best in Europe. So we either spend the money to make sure we’re with the big boys, or we pocket the money short term, hope that AW can still work miracles to just keep us top 4, and then eventually fall out of the top 4. Then, for a team that is known for balancing the books, there will be less money, more sales of players, and more decline. I’m not liking what the future holds, based on what I see now.Posted from
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Gooner, you are right, I did and then I did, but the result fro teh Valenca game just shook me a little. On the other hand, I have always said I trust Wenger, but also said always, that I think we need a DM, for a long time now. I even agreed to welcome old Pat if we had no one else, because I feel that’s the position to fill. Still, Arsene has aleady won triphies nad I haven’t
But I read, and agree, that back then he had more experienced players that he inherited from before his era, and maybe we need to hold on to the more experienced ones..or bring somebody with that experience.
Fingers crossed, still faithful!Posted from
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this team doesnt have the grit,determination or vigor to land us a trophy
wenger has two more year to show us taht he has evolved with the changing time or he shud be kicked out,we shud keep an eye on some rising managers in lesser european n asian leaguesPosted from
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tempest:
“wenger has two more year to show us taht he has evolved with the changing time or he shud be kicked out”—>:D Isn’t it a little extreme? ;D
Rather to fire him, maybe they should force him to change his policy by giving the green light to spend money to rebuild the squad. But, you’ll say: How?
—>Even though I’m not a keen partisan of the man, Usmanov could finally take over the club and give Wenger a financial boost. Arsenal’s board are restraining any potential major shareholders to take over the club. Well, it could be a solution.
—>But, in a less drastic fashion, we could simply use the money we got from the sale of Adebayor, Touré and potentially Senderos to solidify the squad defensively.
—>Then, they would sell Silvestre this winter. Now, it depends, if the team have been prolific offensively and defensively, then the money could be saved. If the team is suffering offensively, then a new striker should be purchased. Technically, Wenger has the money and the players to make a change of system and policy. Now, it’s up to him to decide.
—>Finally, I would not like Wenger to leave because he knows what are the club’s capacity financially and his plans to recreate a major squad are still on. So, changing manaegr would only effect much more the team and the more establish player would feel like the club is crumbling which could result to an exodus.
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Yea Gigi i remember your posts from the begining of the summer about wanting a world class defensive midfielder. actually I was agreeing with you all the time on that point….
On the other hand I really agree with homey, tempest, and third eye.
anyway wenger came out today and said that there will be no more signings before the league start which in my opinion I think that there will be no signings until january if not next summer.
I trust wenger, i like him as our coach I think he is one of the best, but when it comes to “summer signing” I dont. cuz I remember at the end of last season how he said that we need 2 experienced player because we have a lot of inexperienced players…
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