Barcelona 3 Arsenal 1: RvP Sees Red as Blaugrana Dominate To Knock Out Gunners

By: Sairax | March 8th, 2011
   

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Another year. Another trip to Camp Nou. Another stinging defeat. It doesn’t get any easier. It really doesn’t. I felt so awful after last year’s tie, but I think I feel worse this time. I’m trying my best to suck it up and get on with it though, but apologies in advance if I get a bit rambly.

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Let’s jump right into the first 45 minutes. We had 0 shots to Barcelona’s 8 and salvaged just 25% possession. That about sums it up right there. From the first minute we were on the back foot. Barcelona started to pressurize and swarm us while we hung on and played the offside trap as suicidally as possible. Clichy took about 1 minute before clattering into Xavi near the touchline. Pedro wasted no time in getting behind our defenders, but Kos got back to clear. His first clearance of many. A lot of the play was condensed in the middle third of the pitch because both teams were playing such a high line, but it was Barca who were enjoying possession and trying to find ways of breaching our defense. We managed to play them offside several times, but we couldn’t find a way through either with Nasri and RvP finding themselves in offside positions as well. Adriano was enjoying plenty of space out wide and managed to cross a great ball in for Villa, but he couldn’t get on the end of it. Nerve-wracking stuff.

After a quarter of an hour, we almost shot ourselves in the foot when Djourou cleared straight to Messi. You know him. The one who’s been scoring like mental all season. Luckily for us, Jack and Kos were there to clean up the mess. It was all very last-ditch, our defending. Kos picked up the first yellow of the night shortly after, which meant he would be walking on thin ice for the majority of the game. We gave up the free kick, which Alves hammered straight to Szczesny. Of course, Szczesny got injured. It just wouldn’t have felt right if one of our players didn’t go off injured would it? It looks like he injured a tendon in his finger and could be out for the rest of the season. Wonderful. Almunia came on for our Pole in goal and I was fearing the worst.

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Barcelona didn’t let up. Every loose ball and every stray pass we made were tidily picked up by one of the Barcelona players who looked to push forward again. We couldn’t get the ball. When we did, our passing was woeful. When Szczesny was still on the pitch, he was hoofing it upfield to Valdes on the other side. Were we parking the bus? I still doubt we can even do that effectively. No doubt we were defending most of the time, but when you’re being suffocated by the Blaugrana, it’s kind of difficult to get anything going. I think that we were being so poor in midfield that we just tried to get it forward at times and it wasn’t working at all. Either we would be offside, or a Barcelona player would regain possession in an instant and take off before we knew what happened.

At the same time, we were being whistled any time we even got near a Barcelona player. The only time they didn’t get a whistle was when Messi was fouled on the edge of the box. Some thought it was a penalty, but I think it was more a free kick. The Barcelona players made it easier for the calls to be made considering they went down every time contact was made. Alves took down Nasri with a scissor tackle, but no foul was called. Meanwhile, we had Sagna join Kos in the referees book. It was tough for our players and we didn’t look like we were going to come out of this game unscathed. Barcelona kept attacking, but none of their attempts on goal were particularly threatening. They passed it around with ease and stayed patient until they saw something open up. All they needed was that one chance though, and we would be toast.

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The Blaugrana got another look-in when Iniesta opened things up with a lovely diagonal that just about missed everyone and allowed Almunia to collect. Pedro got in a cross with no one on the end of it and Messi went on a couple of little romps to break open our backline. Adriano, again in tons of space, smacked one off the bar. The scoreline stayed nil-nil, but you wondered how we were even hanging on. Our attacking threat was non-existant and you wonder if we were just trying to absorb the pressure until halftime. A terrible idea, in my opinion, since I don’t think we’ve ever successfully pulled that off. Also, if we had tried harder to get an early goal, it would have helped us tremendously and perhaps settled our nerves a bit. Nearing the end of the half, we somehow got a corner, but hardly anyone was there to capitalize. Dire stuff indeed.

Remember all of those niggly fouls we kept getting called for? I think it was getting to the players’ heads unfortunately. Jack was down holding his leg and was taking too much time getting off according to the Barcelona players. There was some chest-bumping, nothing too bad, but you could tell tensions were rising. Jack came back on as the half went into extra time and the next thing you knew, RvP had shoved Alves and got himself booked. Stupid really, and totally unnecessary. We see this in the league where the opposition tries to rile us up in some way or the other and we end up taking the bait and getting booked. This was pretty similar. At the same time, Abidal had put his hand on van Persie’s throat. How he was not sent off, or at least shown a yellow, is beyond me. Those extra officials would have been handy at that moment. The awfulness of the first half finished off, fittingly enough, with a total cock up that saw Cesc bafflingly back heel the ball about two feet away from our penalty area. Then, he ended up pulling out of a challenge on Iniesta to recover the ball and the next thing you knew, we were down one-nil. Iniesta played Messi in beautifully who stuck it in the back of the net with ease. We were so close. Now we really needed to score in order to have any hope of advancing. We had to try attacking in the second half and at least go out swinging.

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Halftime Stats (from Orbinho): Barcelona v Arsenal
Shots 8-0; On target 4-0
Fouls 4-10
Duels Won 57%-43%
Passing accuracy 89%-70%
Possession 75%-25%

I’d really like to block out the second half from my memory because it was worse than the first. I didn’t even think that was possible before it started, but it definitely felt worse. We started off with a small glimmer with Diaby on the break. As usual though, it came to nothing. Then there was just a barrage of chances for Barcelona from what I can remember. Messi was just charging his way past our players and really trying to force his way through. Xavi had a dink here and there, lobbing the ball over and slicing us open. Almunia was on his game and made some very good saves to hold them off. Djourou and Kos were throwing themselves at the ball to protect our goal.

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Finally came a point in the game that gave us all a bit of hope that kills us all every day as an Arsenal fan. Nasri made a great run down the left hand side, holding off Alves along the way. He earned a corner that he took himself. He delivered a fine ball into the box and Busquets got over everyone and headed it into his own net. Arsenal hadn’t had one shot all game, let alone one on target, and suddenly we were ahead on aggregate. It was that bit of luck that you thought would be what would lift us to see out the game. If we managed to score another, it really would have been made things more difficult for Barcelona, but we had one. This meant that we still had a chance.

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We were holding off the Barcelona attack as best as we could and that kept us in the game. That, and Barcelona seemed to have Arsenalitis where they just couldn’t finish off their chances. We weren’t comfortable, but we were hanging on as best we could and slowly growing into the game. Then it all went to pieces. RvP, showing some more of that attacking intent that we were at least trying in the second half, was caught offside as he made his way towards the Barca goal. The referee’s whistle blew, but Robin went ahead and tried the shot anyway. I think it may have been a second or two between the whistle and the shot, but I am not certain. The referee was not having any of it and he gave van Persie his second yellow and sent him off. If RvP could have avoided the first yellow, maybe he would still be on the pitch, but you have to say that sending him off was harsh. I don’t know if van Persie deliberately shot even after hearing the whistle, but he was insistent that he could not hear because of the thousands of shouting fans in the stadium. The ref was unsympathetic and there we were, in the 56th minute, down to 10 men. I think any chance we had of going through went out the window in that moment. It didn’t take long until Barcelona found their second goal of the night. They were really taking it to us, firing in shots when they could, and we were just clearing it and making as many last-ditch tackles as it took. We couldn’t hold out forever and Xavi made the scoreline 2-1 to the home team. Arsenal’s hopes were fading.

At this point we could have gone into extra time and penalties, but with 10 men it was always going to be unlikely. One more goal for the Gunners would have forced Barcelona into trying to score at least 4 goals, so it wasn’t all over. Those were the thoughts in my head for two whole minutes. It was only two minutes because Kos conceded a penalty to Barcelona. It was a penalty for sure and Messi tucked it away coolly to put Barca up 3-1 at the Camp Nou. And yet. One more goal and Arsenal were through. Could we pull it off? Wenger brought on Arshavin for Rosicky who had been pretty useless the whole match. Arshavin looked lively as he combined with Nasri and Wilshere, but Barcelona were just swarming us to get the ball back and we found it difficult to get another chance. Fabregas was taken off for Bendtner in a last effort to salvage something from the game. Barcelona were running rings around us, but you never know right? A stroke of luck and we could be in. Our goals at the Emirates came late in games, usually because of our ability to counter with pace when our opponents looked tired. It looked like our chance had come in the 87th minute. After withstanding another torrent of Barcelona strikes and tiki-taka keep-away, little Jacky-boy, who had been busting a gut the whole game, found himself up the pitch and delivered a ball into Bendtner’s path. With Mascherano on his butt and Valdes in front of him, a bit of composure and a touch away from the defender could have seen Nick through on goal. That isn’t what ended up happening. Bendtner’s touch let him down and he directed it more towards Valdes who scooped up the ball and averted the danger. That was the chance. That was the second where you wondered what van Persie would have done and if we could have scored to send us through, even though we had been thoroughly outplayed. It was not meant to be. The score was 3-1 to send Barcelona to the quarterfinals. Arsenal were knocked out by the beastly Blaugrana and left with one less opportunity to get some silverware.

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Fulltime Stats (from Orbinho) Barcelona v Arsenal:
Shots 20-0; On target 12-0
Fouls 8-19
Duels Won 59%-41%
Passing accuracy 90%-72%
Possession 76%-24%

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Player Ratings:

Szczesny 6 Went off injured after making a save in only his second ever Champions League appearance. You have to feel for him. He was good between the sticks, but he could have done better picking out one of our players when hoofing it up the pitch.

Sagna 6 Not his best game defensively or offensively. I think he may have deflected Xavi’s goal into the net as well.

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Koscielny 7 Another good game where he showed great anticipation and intercepted well at times. Gave away the penalty and could have been given a second yellow with some of the fouls he was making, but overall he did the best he could.

Djourou 7 He came up big today. Our backline was severely tested today and Djourou handled the majority of it really well. Stayed strong and wasn’t easily rattled. His passing from the back wasn’t great though.

Clichy 5 Clichy really struggled tonight. A lot of Barcelona’s attacks were coming down his side, particularly in the first half, and that probably wasn’t coincidence. Never easy to muzzle the likes of Messi, Villa, or Pedro, but he really couldn’t get a handle on things today.

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Wilshere 6.5 Bloody hell, Jack. You never gave up for a second. He got back to help out defensively and wasn’t ready to take a beating lying down. He wasn’t enjoying much going forward, but his efforts at trying to keep us going for the whole match are not to be overlooked.

Fabregas 3 The Newcastle game at the Emirates early this season was one of the worst games he’s ever played in an Arsenal shirt. Now he has this gem of a performance to add to that one. Completely anonymous and wasn’t keeping things simple in the midfield. Gifted Barcelona possession in the worst place at the worst time for them to go on and score. Possible that he was struggling with a hamstring injury during the match, but Captain Fantastic was missing today, unfortunately.

Diaby 3 I’ve never been more convinced that Diaby doesn’t have the mental strength to get us through a game like this. He just reinforced my opinion that he is not a big game player. Loads of skill and talent, but sorely lacking leadership qualities and a headstrong, winning mentality.

Rosicky 4 He played today?

Nasri 7 I saw him getting back to help defend many times. He has to be careful going too deep because he was very close to playing opposition onside a few times. We wouldn’t have got the goal if it wasn’t for him. He tried, bless, and was the only one who troubled Barcelona’s defense at all (and I’m using the word “troubled” very generously)

van Persie 5 Dude, you gotta learn to control your temper. Did us no favours with that first booking, which contributed to his sending off. We really needed him to keep his cool. You’re pissed off, Robin? Get some revenge by scoring a goal. Otherwise, knuckle down and help the team get through this.

Subs:

Almunia7.5 MOTM The “Spanish Waiter” who has been subject of my annoyed rants on many occasions came up big today. He made some great saves (and got kicked in the head doing it) and looked calm in goal. Fair play to Almunia. I didn’t think he could do too much about the goals. Even if he could have, we can’t expect him to save everything when being under so much pressure at times. He’ll get no jibes coming from me today, I thought he was great.

Arshavin 6 Better as an attacking threat than Rosicky, but nothing substantial produced in the end.

Bendtner N/A He had a one-on-one. He had that chance to put us through. He could have been a hero and sent us through. Didn’t happen.

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What can I say? We were thoroughly outplayed today, no question. Were we trying to be defensive? Or was it just that Barcelona were too damn good? I think we were overwhelmed today by a superior opponent. Hats off to Barcelona. I don’t think I’ll ever see a team play better football if I live to be one hundred. Even being the lesser team, you’d have to think we had a chance, albeit a slight and improbable one. I didn’t think we’d win, but a draw wouldn’t have been crazy. Personally, I would have taken the 3-2 loss in a heartbeat. We needed some luck to go our way if it was going to happen for us tonight, but it didn’t. I thought the referee was extremely strict and blew for fouls that were either not fouls, or were really soft fouls. Perhaps I’ve just been watching the Premier League too long since you have to shoot someone before hearing a whistle, whereas we picked up 4 yellows and a red today. I guess that’s just how they roll in Europe (could you imagine playing Stoke with this ref?) Anyway, I’m gutted. It was a completely demoralizing experience for me, and I just hope it doesn’t have the same effect on the players. When the whistle blew, you could tell they were absolutely exhausted. They gave everything with their effort and energy, just not so much with actual skill and technique. We didn’t play our game. We weren’t allowed to play our game. In that respect, you just kind of have to hold your hands up and say Barcelona were fantastic. Before today’s game, we had scored 20 goals in Champions League this season, more than any other club. We didn’t get one shot today. Not shot on goal. One shot. We’ve played a lot of games this season and our boys are under a lot of pressure to win something. Facing Barcelona so early was always going to be a mountain to climb. Finishing second in our group was really where we screwed up. We can’t change it now though. Like most people said to me before the game, it’s best to go out now while it’s still early and we have a chance to focus on the league. That could still be a possibility this season as long as we don’t allow ourselves to collapse in the way we have been prone to do in the last few seasons. It really is a horrible way to go out of a competition, being battered by such a strong team. I can’t help but think we could have played better. Right now, I just want to move on from this as quickly as possible because we have to go to Old Trafford in a few days. The chances we had today, we didn’t take, which was most disappointing. We can say we are a better team this year. That I think we can see when we look at our overall season. We can even point to our win over Barcelona at the Emirates; a truly special night that we can all hold dear as fans. We won’t be winning the Champions League this year. Maybe next time.

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  • Barca_4ever

    a very sane and honest post. all the best for your league. hope u guys get some silverware this season.

  • Rosicky, Diaby and Fabregas were such shit yesterday. I can't believe we had three players in our midfield that were that bad.

  • sandra350

    And it's interesting that this amazing Barca team struggle to win CL games AWAY when they have more competition and a hostile crowd. Good Martin Samuel piece on the game here (refreshing from most of the punditry):

    http: / / www . dailymail.co.uk/sport/football...

  • Gigi_man

    Just talked to a Barza fan at the office, he came to apologize!
    He said he was sure that if RvP wasnt sent off they could have pulled it off and even play to score more, he would have preferred that because then there would ne no talking from us, on the IFs.
    I fully agree with him.

  • sandra350

    Check out this photo of our dear Swiss referee last night from a league game in his home country:
    http: // www .20min.ch/ dyim/2106e8/B.M600,1000/images/content/1/4/4/14466050/8/topelement.jpg

    Apparently, he's one of the more hated refs in Swiss football.

    Few gooners actually expected us to go thru. I thought we could get away with a draw last night and go thru but most gooners I knew didn't give us a chance at all & just wanted to get this game out of the way so we can focus on the domestic campaign. I don't think any gooner would be upset today if last night's game had been played in the same spirit as the one at the Grove. Yes, we got a number of favorable calls over the 2 legs, Barca were denied a goal & penalty - if not more.

    The anger comes from the referee yesterday NOT ALLOWING OUR PLAYERS TO FKG PLAY EVEN WHEN THEY DID TRY.

    Furthermore, the conduct of Barca's players last night for me totally destroyed any shred of respect and admiration I have for the club. Until this season I eagerly watched Barca every week. I was angry with the whole Cesc thing but I didn't hate Barca. Their diving and constant attempts to make the ref book opposition players annoyed me but I didn't let that affect my enjoyment of watching them play nor my love for their players.

    Last night's game totally destroyed all of that. So I can't join Martin in his posts praising Barca, even tho he's right about the quality of their football. I can't respect players who deliberately go out to collectively make the ref book opponents, get them sent off, constantly CONSTANTLY dive at the merest touch, act as if opponents shouldn't be allowed to try to get the ball and play football. Barca players act as if they're the only ones allowed to play football and any attempt that opponents make to also play should be booked as fouls. Barca were an utter disgrace last night. Two players grabbing the throats of two of our players, unbooked. Twice scissor kicking our players from behind in disgusting, cowardly tackles that went unbooked. And Dani Alves? I'm Brazilian & have always supported him being in our national team, I've always loved him as a player. So I've been tolerant about his antics on the pitch for yrs. Not anymore. Enough. He's a fkg disgrace.

    Basically, Barca were allowed to do whatever the hell they liked. The rules don't apply to them. I've had enuf of them. It's not as if they have any real competition in their league anyway--this season I stopped watching them regularly because it all became so boring, every week, Barca win against teams who just can't compete. There's absolutely no competition when they play. Every team just rolls over. What's the point in watching such a foregone conclusion? They basically destroy the entire spirit of what sport means.

  • Patoux21

    Wow that was quite a comment but I totally agree with you about the fact there should be no respect for a team of divers and cheaters trying to fool and influence the referee and sometimes having him clearly on your side.

  • sandra350

    Check out this photo of our dear Swiss referee last night from a league game in his home country:
    http:// www .20min.ch/dyim/2106e8/B.M600,1000/images/content/1/4/4/14466050/8/topelement.jpg

    Apparently, he's one of the more hated refs in Swiss football.

    Few gooners actually expected us to go thru. I thought we could get away with a draw last night and go thru but most gooners I knew didn't give us a chance at all & just wanted to get this game out of the way so we can focus on the domestic campaign. I don't think any gooner would be upset today if last night's game had been played in the same spirit as the one at the Grove. Yes, we got a number of favorable calls over the 2 legs, Barca were denied a goal & penalty - if not more.

    The anger comes from the referee yesterday NOT ALLOWING OUR PLAYERS TO FKG PLAY EVEN WHEN THEY DID TRY.

    Furthermore, the conduct of Barca's players last night for me totally destroyed any shred of respect and admiration I have for the club. Until this season I eagerly watched Barca every week. I was angry with the whole Cesc thing but I didn't hate Barca. Their diving and constant attempts to make the ref book opposition players annoyed me but I didn't let that affect my enjoyment of watching them play nor my love for their players.

    Last night's game totally destroyed all of that. So I can't join Martin in his posts praising Barca, even tho he's right about the quality of their football. I can't respect players who deliberately go out to collectively make the ref book opponents, get them sent off, constantly CONSTANTLY dive at the merest touch, act as if opponents shouldn't be allowed to try to get the ball and play football. Barca players act as if they're the only ones allowed to play football and any attempt that opponents make to also play should be booked as fouls. Barca were an utter disgrace last night. Two players grabbing the throats of two of our players, unbooked. Twice scissor kicking our players from behind in disgusting, cowardly tackles that went unbooked. And Dani Alves? I'm Brazilian & have always supported him being in our national team, I've always loved him as a player. So I've been tolerant about his antics on the pitch for yrs. Not anymore. Enough. He's a fkg disgrace.

    Basically, Barca were allowed to do whatever the hell they liked. The rules don't apply to them. I've had enuf of them. It's not as if they have any real competition in their league anyway--this season I stopped watching them regularly because it all became so boring, every week, Barca win against teams who just can't compete. There's absolutely no competition when they play. Every team just rolls over. What's the point in watching such a foregone conclusion? They basically destroy the entire spirit of what sport means.

  • Martin D

    For sure the RVP sending off was a dredfull decision by the referee. But to be fair the writing was on the wall long before that and a 4-3 on aggregate result does not do Barcelona Justice. Last night we had three very good player, Nasri, Withshire and Almunia. We had four very average player in Defence. Very average might even be an understatement. But worst of all we had three passengers Fabregas Diabi and Rosicky, none of the latter three should have been put on the pitch by Wenger, Remember it was a combination of Diabi and Rosicky fould that brought us from 0-4 to 4-4 against a team as skill full as Newcastle. So how on earth could we expect them to compete against Barcelona. For me we should have played Eboue in front of Sagna and Gibbs in front Clichy to give therm some protection and moved Nasri into to middle to help Withshire and Denilson. We can cry all we like about the sending off but that had no part to play in the awfull defending that was on display all night and we wre lucky that thet didnt score a further 3 Goals... We are simply not good enough. Not Good enough for the CHAMPIONS LEAGUE, NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE CARLING CUP ....LETS STOP DELUDING OURSELVES WE ARE NOT GOOD ENOUGH FOR THE PREMIER LEAGUE OR THE FA CUP EITHER...It is a pity beacuse we have some exccelent players but we have a manager who recently has been sending the wrong team out.. One final point what Arsenal fan would have brought on Bentner at that point... Chamack was the guy we need to harras the opposition and hold the ball up not bendtner...We can all see if Mr Wenger....WHY CANT YOU...

  • Patoux21

    Even without the ridiculous sending off of RVP I though the referee was clearly biased on extremely naive and inconsistent in his decisions and of course against Arsenal. I didn't pay that much attention on fouls called for Barca but still noticed many times some of their players were falling and rolling on the ground holding their knees screaming and suffering like hell when contact was made on the feet and in the next minute running like rabbits. Special mention to Villa and Alves. For me acting is the same as cheating and if FIFA had guts they would sanction this type of behaviour because it doesn't bring anything positive to the game.

  • Patoux21

    Even without the ridiculous sending off of RVP I though the referee was clearly biased on extremely naive and inconsistent in his decisions and of course against Arsenal. I didn't pay that much attention on fouls called for Barca but still noticed many times some of their players were falling and rolling on the ground holding their knees screaming and suffering like hell when contact was made on the feet and in the next minute running like rabbits. Special mention to Villa and Alves. For me acting is the same as cheating and if FIFA had guts they would sanction this type of behaviour because it doesn't bring anything positive to the game.

  • Patoux21

    Even without the ridiculous sending off of RVP I though the referee was clearly biased on extremely naive and inconsistent in his decisions and of course against Arsenal. I didn't pay that much attention on fouls called for Barca but still noticed many times some of their players were falling and rolling on the ground holding their knees screaming and suffering like hell when contact was made on the feet and in the next minute running like rabbits. Special mention to Villa and Alves. For me acting is the same as cheating and if FIFA had guts they would sanction this type of behaviour because it doesn't bring anything positive to the game.

  • curvaclock

    didnt help our cause when the ref was CLEAR barca fan,i know your gonna say ohh blame the ref but seriously watch the game again !! like cesc, he must have "barca dna" fuck that saying. very disapointed but hey we did well to keep them at bay for the whole first half, cause i believe abidal should have been sent off for grabbing van persie's neck ? anyone else see it ??

    onto the manscum game. i see a lose, players will just be way to tired seriously no other team in europe is playing tougher games than us atm ! but hey thats only arsenals fault for not beating a league 2 team at their ground !
    this might sound like a rant at arsenal trust me its not, i love the arsenal always will. gooner for life thats me :) to prove it ive got afc tattooed on my wrist !

    van persies red card ? i hope he learns from that and so to do the other strikers in the world.
    great game almunia,wilshere and the 2 CB's. everyone else just was a bit scared of barca on the counter attack !
    we should of done what the special one did with inter and that was to get to 1-1 and park the bus.

    martin as much as i admire you for your tireless work on the blog, but i can honestly say barcalona for me is boring to watch, a football match should be played their way yes but id like to see the oppent actually have a physical match and have possesion say 50/50 just so you can both teams having shots at each other, not this one sided afair !

    @perry.s, sir,friend,mate, whatever you want me to call you. thats absolutley fucking correct ! no play wouldnt react to another player grabing their neck ! seriously that sickens me to no avail that abidal didnt get shit ? we will never know the full force of arsenal vs barca(arsenal with a full squad) cause seriously look at the away leg last year, no cesc, no van persie ? no wilshere to show his love for arsenal. and this years away leg, lose our keeps early on, van persie sent off and cesc taken off and to top it all off no walcott to run past their defence.

    overall. ive never liked barca, never will not after this display, not after this defeat and certainly not after the way the fans treated almunia ! fuck barca

  • Subramanya B V

    God knows who deserved to win. A Barcelona team which refuses to finish so many oppurtunities?
    The way they were taking their foot of the accelerator everytime they went ahead was pathetic to say the least. The needless diving.... They did the same at Emirates and suffered. I guess they never learn. Anyway I think you guys were cheated out of at least trying for a result.
    The whistling was attrocious. Sometimes I wonder if football has fallen back to the heady days of the Roman empire. Cant believe these are the same 'educated' people you see every day at work. Why cant people appreciate a good game of football inspite of loyalties? Anyway all Barca supporters are not 'ugly' by nature.
    I am very impressed by the levels of sanity people have displayed here. Wish you the best of luck in the FA Cup and the League. Hopefully we will see a different league winner this time from the past few years.

  • russianfan

    jack showed some guts but what i noticed every time he could scramble a ball out of barcelona he would just go running with it without even looking ahead or anything. i remember at least 2-3 breaks that could have yielded something had jack given the pass in time, instead of trying to carry the ball himself blindly through the swarms of barca player already meeting him halfway. maybe he couldn't get enough composure for a big game like this.

  • Momoney

    some of these ratings are ridiculous bro...

  • Kxevin

    The unfortunate thing, as I note in my review over at Barcelona Football Blog, is that the referee decision will allow people to claim that this match could have been different. It just wasn't going to be. As others have noted, 0 shots on goal is not exactly a statistic that covers a side in glory.

    We also made a few tactical changes in the side, that significantly changed things, namely Adriano at left back, and Mascherano at DM. The former allowed the full width of the pitch to be used, and the latter just did what he did at Liverpool: Lock down the midfield.

    The Van Persie red was appalling, but this ref established that he wasn't on form when he missed that Diaby foul on Messi, that should have been a penalty. Bad referees are usually equally bad. Some fouls were called, and many weren't. On both sides.

    Fact of the matter is that we played a much better match than we played at the Emirates. Would Walcott have made a difference for you? Not the way Wenger decided to play the first half, with a defensive mindset. Once Messi scored, it's hard to change a mindset, so you struggled.

    You brought out the absolute best in us. I have never seen our club play better, not even when it dismantled the Evil Empire 5-0. Hats off to you for that, and know that you are a much better club this season than you were last. Good luck in the Prem, and FA Cup.

  • Gigi_man

    Kxevo,
    first of all a recognition to you, different from some of your fellow Barza fans that come over (well so they claim, maybe they re just secret stoke fans masked as Barza ones haha).

    I think you outplayed us on both matches, but in the first we managed what is done to us usually, win without being the best.

    And I do think the ref denied the chance to see if that was going to happen, because at 10 men, it is always more difficult even if the one sent off isnt a striker whose class can score beaties (which was the case here).

    But nonetheless, you had to score to win and you did, the feeling I have is with 11 men we could have maybe scored one...and go through.

    Last year there was no question....outplayed and 4 goals, this year it was tighter, and thats where a refs call like that hurts.

    Hope you win it though, just to say that we lost to the winner :)

  • Homey_Mills

    I have a question for Kxevin or any reasonable Barca fan. Why do their fans whistle every time we have the ball? Are they jeering their own team for not having the ball? Or jeering the other team for having the temerity to actually possess it? I dunno... it's a bit over the top for me either way.

  • Jose (from BFB)

    Not every country has a fan culture of singing clever/silly chants all throughout the match. Not every crowd behaves like the English, nor should they. It's been astonishing reading Arsenal fan reactions re: the crowd. In my experience, having a home crowd is about giving your team an advantage. That includes anything (outside of bigoted chants) that might make the opposition break their concentration (apparently, against Arsenal it was working).

    If you think the crowd at the Camp Nou was "over the top", you should never attend a heated match in South America. And don't go near the Azteca in Mexico.

  • SOm1

    Err...sorry but that is kind of idiotic. The atmoshpere in the Emirates was great. Singing dancing whistling...see where im going with this. I didnt notice any over the top whisitling from the fans but im half deaf so that could be why.

  • Varughese

    Ok, I am pretty sure to get abused after writing this.

    I have been to another Arsenal blog and other sites and everyone is blaming the loss on Cesc. Come on that back heel was stupid but still blaming that he did it on purpose is too much. The pressure on him in the build up to that back heel was enormous and it was a genuine mistake anyone could have commited and also he was never going to be fully fit.

    Van Persie card was rubbish and could argue that it would have changed the course of the game. But apart from the shove to Alves and that card when was Van Persie got involved in the match? You did the wrong thing of sitting back and trying to absorb the pressure. You need a lot of luck and some heavy build midfielders to succeed with that tactic. S

    In the first leg you midfield stretched our guys and thats the reason they were tired. Yesterday night that wasn't the case and so it is non-sense to say that had Van persie stayed on then we would have punished them. Your players were stretched to the maximum yesterday.

  • arn00b

    CFC fan here. Sorry about your loss. We understand, we really, really do.

    To all the referee-apologists out there - What exactly has to happen for you to say "Hey, maybe something is fishy going on over here?"

    3 years of controversial decisions happening whenever Barca plays. Every game has some level of controversy, but not to this extent. Once is a mistake, twice is a coincidence, but red card again? Eleven on eleven is too much to ask for? For kicking a ball?

    We got it when Ovrebo was running the show. People were saying that the referee didn't want to make his decisions change the game, didn't want to award anything free kicks or penalties. That only went one way. Now this ref is card-happy, and it goes only one way? Barca don't get one card? At least make it look like it's legitimate.

    What are the chances of one team not getting one yellow card in a game while the other gets 5? Did it ever happen? Please tell me.

    This is the same team that whistled to stop play when an attack was happening, the same team with Dirty Dani.... gimme a break.

  • Georgedb1

    Never thought I'd say this but - I don't even care if Chelsea get to list the CL before we do, I'll be pulling for Chelsea, United, Real Madrid in the CL - anyone but 12 man Bartha. I don't like Chelsea or Utd - but at least I can respect those teams.

  • Jay

    Without Robin being sent off I honestly think we could have musterred up even a draw. Cause Barca would pass till they faded a little and let their guard down. We definately could have pressed more in the first half but were missing Theo's pace for that. Seemed like (before the red) the players were hesitant to go forward. Made a lot of passes backwards and let Barca push them back. Other than that the defense first half was solid. Djourou and Kos made critical clearances, & I never expected such a good performance from Almunia. I guess he's playing Mancs. Hope Szczesny's injury isn't too serious, and Cesc as well...

  • scuba

    Guardiola said the Arsenal manager had one request for him.
    "Wenger told me to congratulate the referee," he said.

    This qoute just made my day!

  • Gigi_man

    Thx Sairax, same hurt feelings here, lso hope for the Gunners t turn the page quickly.

    IMHO we were also outplayed at home, but we won.

    What went on today? Cant really know cause didnt see, but according to the majority, it was a bad mix:
    - we were too cautious and never really a threat, again too much respect maybe?
    - The ref didnt help us, we got even slower seeing his calls.
    - We were so close, but without Puyol and Pique, frankly we should have done better, so I dont get why AW didnt put two strikers and all the meat in the oven.
    So, psiquis, referee, short on players.

    I hoped for better, but somehow I knew we d get this.

    If we want this trophy there are things we cant overlook. We all know by these facts which are those things.

  • Vchitown

    Clichy's positioning hurt us again, he played Villa onside for the first leg and played Messi onside for the first goal in this one. He just isn't paying attention to the line.

  • Georgedb1

    I'm very proud of the boys today. I'm proud to be an Arsenal man. I'm proud that my team doesn't need 12 men to win a game. I'm proud that my team doesn't "compete" in a two-pony league where the difference between 1st and 3rd is 20 points. I'm proud that my team isn't backed by UEFA referees. I'm proud that my team is free standing and doesn't need to take out 150 million Euro loans just to pay salaries and staff. I'm proud that my team isn't subsidized by tax payers in a country with 20% unemployment that will very soon need a multi-billion Euro bailout/handout by the EU. I'm proud that my team doesn't cry like a bunch of lady boys and prima donas when they don't get players that they want. I'm proud that my team doesn't lisp when they talk and I'm proud that my team isn't 12 man Bartha.

  • Georgedb1

    I'm very proud of the boys today. I'm proud to be an Arsenal man. I'm proud that my team doesn't need 12 men to win a game. I'm proud that my team doesn't "compete" in a two-pony league where the difference between 1st and 3rd is 20 points. I'm proud that my team isn't backed by UEFA referees. I'm proud that my team is free standing and doesn't need to take out 150 million Euro loans just to pay salaries and staff. I'm proud that my team isn't subsidized by tax payers in a country with 20% unemployment that will very soon need a multi-billion Euro bailout/handout by the EU. I'm proud that my team doesn't cry like a bunch of lady boys and prima donas when they don't get players that they want. I'm proud that my team doesn't lisp when they talk and I'm proud that my team isn't 12 man Bartha.

  • xavier

    proud that you played anti-football, had 0 shots on goal and 25% possession

  • Georgedb1

    So regurgitating statistics like that does nothing - kinda like me tying your hands and beating the shit out of you and then saying - well why didn't you defend yourself.

    If the ref would sanction my team to press the way he sanctioned Bartha's ARSENAL would have 40 shots on goal and 75% possession - instead, anytime we got near you we got a whistle ;)

    Go spew your bullshit somewhere else - don't you have a captive audience in Bartha forums. Go to the lisping army of the believers there.

  • ASDF

    I am proud that my team loves to sit on 80 million Euros and is always trying to get "free transfer" players. I am proud that my team is a fabulous business unit and its manager gives a tiny rat's ass about winning trophies. I am proud that even after six years of "also rans", second and third places, our manager can still have the courage and guts to blame defeats to refereeing decisions. I am proud that I share the magical world of King Wenger where his stubbornness is considered the best virtue that a man can have. I am proud that my team expects a player aged 23 to step up and be a leader, playmaker, warrior, goal scorer, defender and of course the midfielder in all matches and is willing to sacrifice his health for the good of the team. I am proud that our manager considers Rosicky, Diaby, Denilson and Eboue as skillful and top of the class players. I am proud that my team has no plans to win titles for the next 6 years as well. I am proud to be a fan who loves to get his heart broken and wander in the streets with a numb mind and shattered spirit after getting his hopes up for a major win. I am proud !!!

  • Georgedb1

    All you can talk about is torphies - thats why as soon as Bartha go dry we'll never hear from you again LMAO bandwagon fans of 12 man Bartha

  • Taharamy91

    Are you proud of six trophy free seasons?

  • Georgedb1

    I'll be proud of my team regardless of whether they win trophies - im not a band wagon fan like you - trophies do not define my loyalty to the Arsenal unlike YOUR to Bartha quite obviously.

    A plus of no trophies is that the fan-base gets rid of bandwagon fans like you - those sunny day fans are gone - we don't need fans like you. In the world of football you're a winning team's fan, nowhere to be found when Bartha wasn't winning shit right.

    I bet you'll be rooting for Real Madrid when the Special One turns the table on Bartha - a wins a win right, even with 12 men you'll take it glorious BARTHA haha. fool

  • sandra350

    Was Barca proud of their 6 trophy free seasons before 2006?

  • Pyro

    Who do you think is a better player Aaron Ramsey or Jack Wilshere?

  • Even when he was coming into his best last year, I don't think Ramsey was as good as Wilshere has been the last few months, and Wilshere is younger. And we're not sure how Rambo is going to recover from being out of the game for a year with that catastrophic injury.

    I like Ramsey a lot, and am not trying to short-change him at all because he was really looking like a great player last year before the injury, and the thought of he and Wilshere providing two real box-to-box type guys for the next decade or so makes me drool a bit, but if you had to pick one to build a team around right now, I'm not sure how you'd justify not taking Wilshere.

  • Also, looking at Wenger's post-match comments and the players' post-match comments and comments on Twitter, I think everyone would be much better served worrying less about the referee and more about why we couldn't sniff the frakking ball or string 3 passes together all match.

  • Georgedb1

    I'll give you a reason why they couldn't keep possession - when the ref gives the other team card blanche to foul while pressuring I'd like to see you keep the ball.

  • I think they're just deflecting from what was a painful and emphatic loss

  • That's all well and good, but from where I'm sitting, "deflecting" seems an awful lot like "denial." They were much, much better than us, and fixating on one decision like this makes it seem like they are saying "we should have gone through if not for this one factor." Which couldn't be more wrong. Barcelona emphatically deserved to go through -- it wasn't even close which side out there was the better team.

    What Wenger and our players need to be thinking is "They were good. Really, really good. What did we do wrong, how can we fix it, and what do we need to do to get to be that good?" Until we do, we can keep blaming the refs, the media, whatever, trying to reassure ourselves that we would be winning trophies if x, y, and z weren't out to get us, but we're not going to take that step to being a great team until we make an honest assessment of where we are and where we need to go..

    And like I said earlier -- as shocking as the RvP dismissal was, and the Abidal chokehold no-call, given that Barca had one perfectly good goal disallowed in the first leg, Wojo should have been sent off in the 3rd minute and conceded a penalty in the first leg, and had what was for me a penalty turned down in this one, I don't even think we can actually claim that the weight of the bad calls went against us -- Barca probably have as much, if not more, of a right to complain as we do.

  • Georgedb1

    You seem to be criticizing our form based on an assumption that the ref was neutral. Yes, for us to play like we did in a game where the ref really was neutral would be poor game for us. But the ref wasn't neutral; he allowed them to press and foul us at will when going for the ball. Make the same calls for us and we get 75% possession.

    We didn't deserve to be treated this way and I'm certainly not going to say my side lost fairly when they clearly did not - and no, its not just the red card against RvP - every single decision, when conceivably possible, was adjudged against us. It was a disgusting display of UEFA favoritism.

    What assessment do you think we need to make? There is nothing you can do about refereeing like this you cannot play your best under these conditions.

    We'll never know, all things being equal, who won this game.

  • ASDF

    Dude do you realize that you are in a state of denial too. All teams get bad decisions even Barcelona. Treat ref errors as part of the game. Just keep on saying that our team would have won, all things being equal will not change the fact that we had 0 shots as compared to their 20; ZERO. How on earth could we not string 1 successful attack against them in 90 mins?....cause they played amazing football. Accept it that they were far better than us. We lack mental strength, stamina, physicality, players like Xavi, Ineista, Puyol, Messi and something else...i dont know...drive, passion, spark (i am no poet). I'm not saying that our players are full of shit (except for Rosicky, Diaby and Denilson who I feel should be released from team or loaned out to some League 1/2 team)...all I'm saying is that we are still some yards behind Barcelona. Our players can achieve these heights of brilliance by training and most importantly proper physical conditioning and care which our current medical staff is not able to do apparently. Do you realize the really stupid gamble that we took tonight by playing 2 less than 100% fit players against a team like Barcelona (you know how much running is involved when you play against Barca). We need to make radical changes in our training methods and try keeping players healthy rather than toying with their fitness like this. Till then, we'll keep lossing such fixtures.

  • Seth

    you're just stupid, man. Martin is making a level headed assessment of this game. stop blaming the damn refs. Barca's average possession in La Liga is 70+%. If you really think you would have out possessed us with the ref's blessing, with Cesc and RvP out of fitness, you're mental. Face facts. You got the better of the ref in the first leg (short memory, eh?) and then got hammered at home by the best side in the world, arguably the best the world was ever seen. It's like people blaming the ref when we were eliminated by Inter last year when he ruled out Bojan's goal for a handball. Questionable and unintentional, sure. But we should have won by alot more, against Inter and against you. The ref can and did play a role; he was not, however, the deciding factor against Inter or tonight. Get over it.
    Sairax, fantastic post, and I'm not just saying that because I'm a cule. It's refreshing to see somebody, anybody, being stark and honest. You and Jack Wilshere, it seems. Best of luck in the EPL; I'm rooting for you over those bastards from Manchester.

  • Maybe he's saying that in the dressing room?

    I dunno, I agree, I just......sigh, don't wanna talk about this utterly depressing game which makes me feel like someone has punched me right in the stomach.

  • Johan23

    "We'll never know, all things being equal, who won this game."

    But your notion of what would be considered "equal" or "fair," is going to be different from the next guy. Real life isn't so cut and dry.

  • Remember when I said in the match thread when the lineups were announced that I would be fucking furious if Cesc or van Persie re-aggravated their injuries because of our incompetent physios and coaching staff's persistence in bringing players back from injury way, way too early only to see them hurt themselves? Well, guess who apparently re-injured his hamstring and won't be traveling to Manchester on Saturday? El Capitan himself.

    Honestly, I'm so sick of this shit I don't know what to do. I'm so sick of Wenger and the doctors saying, "well, he said he was fit to play." Of course he's going to say that -- he's 23 and he wants to play. Every player, at every level, has always tried to come back from injury too soon. It's YOUR job, as older, wiser, experts who know better, to step in and tell him that he's not 100% and they can't risk it.

    Now we probably just lost another 3-4 weeks of our captain and best player (fortunately a couple of those weeks are the international break) so that he could play a little over an hour of very ineffective minutes in a game he made no impact on. Bravo. I'm way more angry about this than I am about the result or the refereeing. Inexcusable from Arsenal -- how many times are we going to have to see this exact same sequence of events play out before we learn?

  • On the plus side, he hasn't been our best player for a while, and losing RvP would have been far more damaging.

  • JG

    If there is any consolation, is that Van Persie came back apparently fit, and his sending off prevented any chances of re-injuring himself. If I recall, Cesc was going to be fully fit after the Barca match, and it was RVP who was out until April. So the roles are reversed. Will it help or hinder us?

  • Georgedb1

    I said the same thing - and knew that this would happen... AW bought a shit performance in the CL at the price of a few weeks out from the league and FA.

    What can you say... its his side to manage.

  • Andylowe14

    in a strange way i think this whole debarcle will make fabregas more likely to stay at arsenal. phychologically he will feel there is unfinished business, he feels slightly respononsible etc.. i just cant see him turning his back on his team after that performance. i could be wrong, but i think he will stay. over the summer he was in an environment of spanishness, with the world cup and everything. Now it is the opposite, he is in an environment of anti-barca feelings, where arsenal is his family and we have been fucked over by them a little bit. I dont know how he feels, but if he feels anything like most arsenal fans do, its an anti-barca feeling right now! and that should increase his love for arsenal

  • drexler

    Arsene should have gone with Rafa Benitez's plan-Suffocation with a big "S". This is hunting in packs, with a hatchet man to mop up anything that approaches the defence. He left the Nou Camp with a 2-1 win enroute to the 2007 Champions League final. After all he played the same system, 4-2-3-1. Those "2" are critical. They are pivotal in shielding the defense. Wilshere did his job, for Abou Diaby???? What Arsenal lacked was the ultimate "fire fighter/blood hound" in the Mascherano mold. Mascherano was key in pressuring Fab to make the back pass and also not giving Bendtner the breathing space to finish cooly. Such players are necessary in any winning side. I am a Liverpool fan who but Wenger needs to buy a destroyer. After all, Barcelona despite their wealth of attacking talents bought one last summer and he was the subtle difference today.

  • HR

    maybe something good comes from ..
    I hope a miracle will happen to arsenal

  • Damn. Just got home and watched the game. No better way to prepare for the solemnity of Lent than watching a butt whooping like that.

    I do think the second yellow for RvP was ridiculous. I'd go so far as to say it might be the worst sending off I've ever seen -- textbook example of the ref letting the crowd get to him. And the ref was handing out cards like Charlie Sheen hands out crazy. But that's just Europe, I think, it's not uncommon at all for them to hand out a lot of cards when players go to ground to make tackles. And I would disagree with Sairax in that I did think Messi should have drawn a penalty -- Diaby made a lot of contact with the legs, got none of the ball, and I think replays showed that when contact was made, both Messi's feet were in the box. So that was a big let off for us. As is usual for UEFA (honestly, we complain about the English refs, but UEFA refs are 10x worse), the ref became the talking point, but I don't think he was unfair, just incompetent. So it goes.

    Mainly, though, I just want to congratulate and say hats off to Barcelona. We can talk about how poorly our team played, but it just seemed like Barca were on a whole other level tonight -- their technical ability and precision are so amazing. It really is like some sort of optical illusion, where it seems like they have 13 or 14 men on the pitch. They seemed to get to every loose ball, were constantly in our players' faces whenever we did get the ball, and carved up our defense so many times. We can be disappointed, we can be frustrated, but I don't see how we can deny that the best team won.

    And I know this may not be a popular sentiment, but I'll say it -- I hope they go on and win it. (A) It will be some slight consolation that we lost to the eventual winners; (B) they are so entertaining to watch, and (C) even though I don't like their organization and hierarchy, and their fans can be a bit obnoxious (honestly, if I wanted to hear a bunch of douchebags wolf-whistle for 90 minutes, I'd go hang out at the construction site next to the strip club -- get a new schtick, cules), and there's definitely certain of their players I wouldn't spit on if they were on fire (*cough* Dani Alves *cough*), I have a ton of respect and admiration for Guardiola, and I just can't bring myself to hate guys like Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta. And I really do think they are head and shoulders the best team in the world at the moment, and they deserve to win it.

    So congrats to Barca, deserved winners. As for us, we'll have to see what's going on with Wojo's injury and get ready for a big match on Saturday. Rough couple of weeks for us -- maybe I'll give up optimism for Lent. Sure would make things a lot easier.

    Oh, and also random thoughts:

    -- One of the worst games Cesc has had in recent memory.
    -- Clichy was a disaster waiting to happen.
    -- If we had 10 other guys with Jack Wilshere's attitude, I'm convinced we'd never lose a game.

  • Nudeltagamma

    I won't deny that Robbie van Persie's sending off was very harsh, but there are a few things I would like to point out:
    1. In the first half Messi was tackled inside the box and no penalty was given (not even a free kick outside the box)
    2. Koscielny deserved a second yellow on more than one occasion but he wasn't shown one
    3. Messi and Pedro were tackled inside the box, but on each occasion they decided to stay on their feet rather than look for a penalty (Pedro especially could have gone down easily and won a penalty)
    4. Koscielny did in fact make contact with Pedro when he went down inside the box and Barca got a penalty
    5. You have to be the luckiest team on earth to score without a single shot (on goal). So that cancels out Robbie van Persie's 'unlucky' sending off.
    6. Barcelona deserved to win. Period.

  • Andylowe14

    not sure i agree with you on a few things here... the ref was incompetent yes, but when that incompetance extends to being so blatently in favour of the home team (for whatever reason, letting the environment at the nou camp affect him or whatever) then it becomes unfairness. Nasri and rvp were choked round the neck and the ref didnt even give a caution. that sissor tackle on nasri, unpunished, then wilsheres firm but fair challenge draws a free kick. if its incompetence continuously resulting in decisions in favor of one team... its what we call a homer. i bet he felt like the star of the show when he produced that red card. couldnt wait to do it. he was a fucking homer.

    And as for wanting barca to win the Cl, well if it was purely on football then yes they are worth supporting, and yes guardiola is respectul and i have no reason to dislkie messi and iniesta. but as for the rest of their team and their whole attitude towards everything, its sickening. trying to get people sent off, play acting (david villa rolling over 4 times, what a little bitch) and their 'presidents' running their mouth about our players, laying claim to fabregas with no respect for arsenal or our fans. Then they go and try and sign one of our academy players. fucking hypocrites. Then the worst part of the whole thing is the fan.. when barca played inter last year, they stayed outside the hotel where inter was staying and played loud music all night to try and keep them awake, then they 'attacked' the team bus on its way to the match. The way they didnt give the ball back to almunia and started jeering at him for no reason.. theyre just a bunch of cunts and i would rather anyone else win it apart from them

  • ak

    he got the ball perfectly with that "scissor tackle"
    wilshere didn't with his "fair but firm challenge"

  • Andylowe14

    they both got the ball and went through the man. one was ignored and one was a foul. you work it out

  • ak

    what are you saying man? he did not get the ball. he came sliding in one way, iniesta passed the ball the other way. he probably just deflected the ball a little
    and iniesta got up immediately when most players would have made a meal out of

  • I'll just say what I said elsewhere. Yeah, we had a lot of terrible calls go against us. But Barca had what should have been a stonewall penalty and a red card against Szczesny in the 3rd minute turned down b/c of an incorrect offside call in the first leg; they later had a perfectly good goal disallowed b/c of another incorrect offside call in the match. And they had what to me looked like a legitimate penalty turned down in this one.

    To my way of thinking, when our opponent has had three goals taken off the board in 2 matches of a tie, we have no right to complain that the ref somehow cost us the tie.

  • Anne

    On the ref and today's match, yes, I agree totally. Barca deserved the win, no question.

    One thing I will disagree with a bit is that I don't find Barcelona all that entertaining to watch - their football ideology is about completely denying the other team a say in the match, so when they succeed, I get bored because it looks like they're just playing a training match. Of course it takes incredible skill but I am not entertained by it. I am thrilled, on the other hand, when a bit of a wrench is thrown in the works and they are forced to contend with a team that can sometimes pass around them and steal balls back - so basically, the game at the Emirates. That was the most entertaining football I have ever seen. And it was because Barca weren't allowed to play "their" football. I guess they'd deserve to win it, but I don't particularly hope they do.

    But oh, Jack. Oh, JACK. He's a revelation. He fought so insanely hard even when there were four Blaugrana climbing up his ass. I love that wee lad so much.

  • ak

    i hear ye
    but its incredibly entertaining when you support barca
    even arsenal display that kind of flair when they are completely ruthless, and you've gotta love it

  • Brian in Brooklyn

    I'm with Martin on how well Barca played. RVP shouldn't have been sent off, but the "ref screwed us" narrative also papers over just how beautiful Barca's two goals from open play really were. Whatever levitation trick Messi pulled for the first defied the laws of physics, and the two final passes before Xavi's goal weren't even first-time touches, they were half-time touches. We played well (at least on defense); Barca played better.

    Jack Wilshere is becoming my favorite player to watch. What Sairax's write-up doesn't mention is that in the 87th minute Wilshere didn't happen to find himself up field, he charged up field and stole the ball from a Barca player, then threaded through an inch-perfect pass to Bendtner. If he can keep his energy and heart he will be a totally dominant player once he matures a bit.

  • Andylowe14

    .. yea they were good goals but they came after the red card. that changed the game cos it was constant pressure after that and no outlet for us. they can defy the laws of physics, levitate and half time touch the ball past us why was it that we were winning 3-2 when we got that red card? or did they just decide to wait till we were down to 10 before scoring those goals. they could have scored them before...uh.. they just didnt feel like it... yea..

  • JG

    Jack Wilshere. Player of the Fucking Season.

  • Billl

    wenger ,you are too soft ,rvp should hang his head in shame he knew he was on a yellow and treading a thin line , as a team the defence played well ,but we payed them too much respect ,we never got in their faces enough ,i think tacticly we got it so wrong ,by standing off them they were able to open us up and create chances at will . it wasnt untill arshavin came on that he himself got his sleeves rolled up and got stuck in ,he should have started the game ! just one more point ,why did the ref make willshire leave the pitch for a moment when he got hurt and shortly before abidal was ok to stay on ! oh yes fabregas you are a joke!you even faked a smile when we scored !

  • Does someone have the ability to find out when the last time a player was shown a yellow card for kicking the ball 1 second after the whistle on follow through. I'm not being sarcastic here, I have a point to prove and would be massively grateful if someone can help.

  • Johan23

    One of the more level-headed Arsenal reviews I've read since the game. Martin, I'm in agreement with most of the points you made here.

    The ref was horrible tonight, but I really don't like to hang the outcome of match's on the ref's neck. What if Messi's incorrectly ruled out 2nd goal at the Emirates had stood? This tie would have been over three weeks ago. These things go both ways and are part of the game.

    I'm not gutted so much because of the outcome, but we were never in this game from the start. I thought having Puyol AND Pique out would be an invitation for our attackers, but we managed 0 shots on target against a makeshift back-line. That pretty much sums up Arsenal's performance for me. Not damn near good enough.

  • Andylowe14

    a dubious offside call like the messi one is part of football. If we were merely subjected to a harsh offside call then fair enough, there wouldnt be too many complaints, we would get over it and accept it.. we should have had 3 points against sunderland but it wasnt allowed to stand, arshavin was onside. will we be given the 2 extra points? no. this happens all the time - but what you dont see happening all the time is what we saw in the second leg. the referee got that card out so quick you'd think it was burning a hole in his pocket. except he probably kept it in his arsehole which would have been equally if not more painful for him. An offside call is by nature a bit of a grey area, it happens quickly, there is always room for human error. But the decision against van persie was calculated. it was 'lets get a red card out and give the crowd what they want'. Would that have happened if it was a barca player who played on 1 second after a whistle? not a chance

  • Plykab

    Wow, so a legitimate goal disallowed unfairely in the first leg because of a bogus offsides call is "just football" but a horrible red card call is something more? This makes ZERO sense. Of course there are bad calls, but they go both ways.

    In the first leg, Messi was onsides and his goal should have counted. It didn't. The score should have been 2-2 which means that Arsenal should have needed a WIN in the 2nd leg or a tie of 3-3 or more to advance. Arsenal did not even get a shot on goal. Forget that, Arsenal did not even register a shot, lol. I've never seen this happen before, no matter who the opponent. NOT A SHOT REGISTERED. How are you going to beat Barca at teh camp nou when you can't even register a shot?

    You guys got incredibly lucky with the own goal. There wasn't even any pressure and Biscuits and gravy hit it right into his own net. Made no sense. But obviously you weren't going to get another.

    Forget the refs. Barca DOMINATED you guys like no team i have ever seen dominate another. That was the problem. I put the blame on Wenger for coming out with such negative instincts and parking not only the bus but the freakin big ben clock tower. Everyone behind the ball no one moving forward. That's why you guys were dominated, not the refs.

  • Georgedb1

    Riddle me this - how much of "we managed 0 shots on target against a makeshift back-line" is due to the ref, as Martin said, whistling every time we came near Bartha players? Or giving us yellows like the one against Kos, and not even warning for Alves' tackle against Nasri, which was essentially the same thing - who would have been off if he wasn't brought down? You can say right? Right? That's whats frustrating - in football the better team doesn't always win (as we know well) and we could have pulled it off tonight were it not for the ref. Bartha outplayed us - but the ref beat us.

  • KC

    I'm a Liverpool fan so I'm not in either camp but what I don't understand is why people here keep blaming the ref for all the problems. A lot of his calls are dubious and questionable but that's in every single game. Both sides had some bad calls and good ones. Why not concentrate on the players and what they did or didn't do instead of the ref. Sure the Barca players fall down VERY easily (its like a light push and they fall). But can you seriously say that Arsenal and even Liverpool players don't dive? NO! As ugly as it is, everyone does it, its part of the game. What's more important is to look at teams that have beaten Barca and seen how they were able to do so even with the diving and the playing at Camp Nou etc etc. Not complain about the ref 24/7 when it was clear from almost the beginning of the match that Arsenal, playing the way they did, were not going to win.

    Sorry for the rant its not like I support either team at this moment in time but I was watching the game and it just annoys me when all people blame is the ref. I mean I was happy that Carragher got that dubious call on Nani and I'd be pissed off if calls went in the way of other teams but at the end of the day, its how the team performed, as hard as that to remember in the face of things.

    At least the Gunners can now focus on winning the league and stop ManU from doing so. I will be supporting you guys every step of the way for the rest of the league for sure!

  • Homey_Mills

    Johan,
    This report was written by mommy, not daddy. I made the same mistake a week or so ago.

  • Johan23

    If you brought in a Barca fan here, they could write a paragraph about the referee injustices they perceived over both legs.

    At the emirates, we were fortunate with the way some calls went, at the camp nou barca were fortunate with the way some calls went. i'm sorry, i can only put it so simply because i hate to have this discussion of the ref's calls.

    this doesn't hide the fact that they were superior to us from the first minute. We were a shadow of our selves from the first leg.

    Homey_Mills - You're right. My bad Sairax. All credit to you.

  • xavier

    'I invite you to watch Barcelona v Inter again. I've watched it twice and I must say Inter were very lucky with some decisions in both games.

    "They won the first game, so they were able to hang on in the second and they did well. I don't want to take anything away from Inter but their players are all 30 years old and they've grown up in Italy, where they're educated to play this kind of game, very tactical.

    "We are Arsenal. We can only survive with our qualities as individuals and as a team."

    comments by wenger then he goes and tries to emulate inter by having his whole team playing negative football with 25% possession and 0 shots on goal.

  • Georgedb1

    The way to play in Europe is the way Inter played - defend and hit em on the break; we did the defending alright, but their 12th man was too much. Own goal or not we were in at 1-1 and the RvP sending off was crucial - the sad thing is that you never know how much of an effect the shit refereeing had on this game - thats an asterix on Bartha's win.

  • xavier

    barca for 3 years in a row had favourible ref decisions, chelsea, inter and now arsenal.

  • The Chelsea game definitely, Barca got some baffling calls down the stretch in that one. I'm honestly not sure what you're referring to in the Inter match -- they had a perfectly good goal that would have put them through ruled out. And as I've said elsewhere, they definitely got some calls in this tie, but they had a perfectly good goal ruled out, a stonewall penalty/red card incorrectly not given, and another penalty not given. They had 3 goals taken off the board, not sure how that counts as favorable.

  • ASDF

    I really feel sad that Wenger and RvP are giving all the blame on the ref and not trying to do any introspection. Fab has publicly declared that he takes responsibility of the loss. Why doesn't Robin and Wenger also step up and take the blame? Playing Diaby instead of Denilson, not willing to tweak the playing style and try long balls against Barca's high defensive line were some tactical mistakes that Wenger made and Robin should have shown control to avoid the 1st booking as Sairax rightly pointed out. Yet, for everything the ref's to blame !! I agree the red was WRONG, but come on, not taking any responsibility for some of your actions??? We can never win trophies with an attitude like that. I feel sooo sorry for the guys; Jack played his heart out, Djouru and Kos were awesome, Nasri took so much responsibility on the field and yet we have absolutely shitty performances from Diaby and Rosicky. Why cant they step up and deliver a good performance for once when their club needs it? I can't imagine how this attitude would be rubbing off the youngsters in the team. 2 weeks ago, we were 90 mins away from winning a trophy, alive and kicking in 3 more, and now - out of 2, close to being out of 3rd and praying for some serious help from other EPL teams to knock points off Man Utd so that we can win the the league. And all this is happening in front of some promising 19 year olds who are meanwhile fighting like real warriors to win all of their on-field duels. Jack, Kieran, Miquel, JET, Frimpong, Benik, Chuks, Craig, Ryo and all the wonderful young gunners, please dont make Rosicky, Diaby, Denilson your role models.

  • Andylowe14

    i dont think its as easy for players like rosicky etc to just 'step up and deliver' because its an important game.. they were trying their best its just harder than it looks from your armchair

  • All fair enough, until "close to being out of 3rd and some serious help..." We haven't even played Saturday's match, so we're neither close to winning or losing, not sure where the logic is there. Regarding serious help, not really required there either. We've got a match in hand are down 3 points. Some help would be nice, but its not required either. We're still very much alive and fighting on the 2 fronts that, IMO, is really what this team had a fighting chance of actually winning out of the 3 major trophies (still would have liked to have the Carling "Confidence" Cup, but not too disappointed by it).

  • Thanks for the post, all that matters is Saturday now, just hope the rest of the team understands that and moves on.

  • It's pretty civil in here so far, thanks guys. Can I just ask though that we not feed the trolls if they come by? Thanks. I'm gonna go chill with my cat now.

  • Homey_Mills

    Overall a good report. Yes, we had some calls go against us, as I said before. But they were clearly the better team too. I have to ask what it will take for us to get to that level. Will our young guys be that good when they're 26 or so? Or do we need some purchases? It would be so glorious to see the likes of Nasri, Wilshere, Ramsey, and Cesc put on a show like that in a couple years.
    Also, I agree that this might help us do better in the league. I figure Man Utd will find a way to advance to the next round. And I figure they'll get past us in the FA Cup at their place. But then they'll be in 3 competitions, while we'll have one. I like our chances in the league a lot.

  • Billl

    one fundamental thing missing "desire" !

  • Adek

    Well, I don't think Barcelona were all that brilliant. We managed to (somehow) contain them for the first 45 minutes (until Messi scored). They only had advantage of extra man after RvP left. Oh and help fr blinking referee of course. RvP should have contained his temper and avoided the first yellow but to be given the second was scandalously harsh. RvP: 'In my opinion the ref killed the game. The sending off had a big influence. It was a total joke. How can I hear the whistle with 90,000 people jumping up? How to God can I hear? The referee has been a joke all evening.'

    @SwissRamble had this to say: Busacca is not universally respected in Switzerland. He was suspended for a few games a couple of years ago for giving the crowd the finger (picture: http://t.co/1l2po1c)

  • It's unfortunate we lost but I am actually pretty proud of the team. It has to be demoralizing chasing shadows for 90minutes, but they defended as well as they could as team.

    I have noticed a lot of people complain about Rosicky's inclusion and subsequently complain about his performance. Can we really say he was at fault for the loss? What other options were there? Arshavin? Give me a break! For all his talent could we rely on him to press for the ball for 60-70min? Eboue? Does he even know how to defend anymore. Last year he was great, this year he can't be bothered to come back to defense. Bendtner? We all know about his first touch, if you can even call it that. Would it make sense to start Bendtner when noone know where the ball will end up when you pass it to him?

    I expect Cesc to be out for a few games, so Rosicky will have a part to play in the run in.

  • Agreed. Rosicky deputized just fine. He did what was asked of him, if people want to believe that meant he should be an offensive threat, they obviously don't know that he's a pretty damn good defensive option for us in the middle and to track back. In the first half, Arshavin nor Eboue had no business being on the pitch. I think we may have waited a tad too long to sub in Arshavin, but really is a mute point now.

  • I agree. I'm not Rosicky's biggest fan at all, but you can't fault his effort and hustle. He was chasing as well as if not better than anyone on the team not named Jack Wilshere.

  • The way i see it:

    A (arsenal ), B (barca) two sprinters
    We already know B is faster and will domitate the race, but A could still catch him
    By putting obstacles in A´s way you just make it impossible.

  • ke

    what

  • Sorry Sairax, but I'm going to fully and wholeheartedly support everything RVP did today. You're completely kidding yourself if you don't think you'd have retaliated after 1.) getting grabbed by the throat and 2.) having a Barca player try to go after your leg (again). The first yellow was deserving, but I don't blame him one bit. For anyone to say we lost because of being outplayed, I say you have no right to say that because we will never really know why we lost. Prior to the send off we were up on aggregate and we will, unfortunately, never know what could have been had we played with all 11. Could we have finished the match as it stood? Maybe. Could we have countered and scored like last leg? Completely possible. Will we ever know? No, the ref took that opportunity away from us. Period. End of story. Time for FA Cup, thats all that matters for the rest of this week...

  • JG

    I think from an outside perspective RVP was wrong in being so rash today. At the same time, the ref today was a joke in doling out cards. There's every chance RVP would have received a second yellow for a hypothetical second rash yellow, but his actual red card offense was ridiculous, and a simple warning would have sufficed.

  • Andylowe14

    i just find it amazing that van persie was choked round the neck and the guy wasnt punished. then he takes a shot and gets sent off. it says all you need to know about the game really

  • perryvs

    wow.....right under the ref's nose too, that looks like it was adriano. i would haved liked to see barca play with 9 players and have them be chasing shadows for once

  • Rickey_banks

    Hey MARTIN Cesc tweeted this after the game...."Great support from the arsenal fans. I take full blame for the result tonight. One of the worst moments of my life. I apologise.e game..." .

  • JG

    Sairax, you think had Denilson played we would have been better a wee bit better in controlling our game? Or would we have been as weak as we were today?
    God, ever since the 1st leg I have felt so miserable. Injuries, a ridiculous cup final loss and now this.. time for us to rebound against the Mancs on sunday..

  • It's hard to say. I think the outcome would have been the same. They just played so much better than we did.

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